J-Y22075 Substructure Shows Common Descent of J-Y22059 and J-Y128487

I've noticed that the substructure of J-M205>Y22075 has more detail on the FTDNA haplotree than on YFull.


Specifically, it appears that subclades J-Y128487 (Kars, Saudi/Kuwait/Qatar MRCA 4000 ybp) and J-Y22059 (Balkan MRCA 1000 ybp) actually share two SNPs not present in other sibling lineages.

On the FTDNA haplotree it's called J-FT4244 and consists of FT4244, FT3607.

This relationship may become visible if the man from Palestine who is J-FT27806 does the YFull analysis (and the SNPs are judged stable). His closest relative traces descent to Kars.

If you know who this Palestinian Big Y sample is, please encourage him to do the YFull analysis.

Incidentally, the man of Indian Jewish male descent on YFull tree as J-Y22075* appears (on the FTDNA haplotree) to split the J-Y128487 subclade by being positive for only Y125824.

These posts are the opinion of Hunter Provyn, a haplogroup researcher in J-M241 and J-M102.

2 thoughts on “J-Y22075 Substructure Shows Common Descent of J-Y22059 and J-Y128487”

  1. Hello,
    I have a close autosomal DNA match on FTDNA. His name is Dr. Hussein Agha from Safed, Northern Palestine and belongs to the Haplogroup you are searching for “J-FT27806”. My paternal grandmother belongs to the same family, so he is most likely a very close cousin, though I do not know him personally. Is there any information you can give me about this Haplogroup? Like where it mainly comes from? Is it Greek, Turkish, etc?

    1. Hello Laith,

      These men now are found in many locations throughout the Middle East so it is hard to pin-point the exact origin. But I think there is a good chance that the origin is not far from where the two most ancient samples in related lineages of J-M205 have been found – in Jordan and Lebanon. The samples I1730 and ERS1790732 are 4400 and 3650 years old, respectively.


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